Opponents of legalizing gambling say it will drain more money than bring in

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Updated: 2/06 5:01 pm
Nearly 30 gambling bills are still up for consideration by state legislators, ranging from stand alone casinos, lotteries, and internet gambling. lawmakers are floating the ideas to raise much needed revenues for the state. A professor who has studied the effects of gambling across the country says it's a big mistake.

I'm from illinois, we were one of the first states to get the casinos, we have the worst budget problem of any of the 50 states," says John Warren Kindt, University of Illinois professor.

Those who favor gambling say tourists are looking for more things to do while they're here. but honolulu mayor peter carlisle says casinos would only take visitors away from the beauty of the islands.

We do not need it, it is not what Hawaii is about, they're stuck with it on the mainland and they're not gonna be able to get rid of it, we don't want something that's gonna infect us forever," says Honolulu Mayor Peter Carlisle.

As a former prosecutor, Mayor Carlisle says he's all too familiar with the social ills that go with legalized gambling. and he's standing with religious and law enforcement organizations as part of a coalition against it. Professor Kindt cites a us international gambling report on the crime wave that can happen.

Which says once you bring in these gambling facilities your crime is going to increase 10 percent per year every year. Why? because people are losing their money and they resort to crime to recoup their losses," says Kindt.

Professor Kindt says gambling corrupts the economy and the political system. And even a lottery to raise money for education never works out as intended because the money it brings in is never enough to cover the social costs.

The social cost is at least three dollars for every one dollar in benefits and in the case of Hawaii it's probably gonna be 5, 6, 7 dollars in social cost to the taxpayers for every one dollar in benefits," says Kindt.

Mayor Carlisle says legislators should instead look at ways of cutting costs to solve the state fiscal problems.
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Wahiawamauka - 2/9/2012 1:16 PM
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Funny how this article was not kept in the "most popular" column. I am sure it is not because most of the comments are for legalizing gambling. How fast the station gets rid of the article when people show they are in favor of gambling. Trying to control the story.

olos73 - 2/7/2012 6:29 PM
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@ypupule, we only need 1 casino here. Just SOMETHING to bring in revenue that's being taken out of Hawaii. Majority of Vegas travelers go via Vacations Hawaii, with 5 flights a week. Over a thousand a week on their packages. Other travelers go on their own or other travel agencies. The VH travelers stay at downtown Vegas hotel/casinos. They're there for the gambling. Some go on their own to shop, shows, etc., then get back to gambling. The VH groups are majority senior citizens, so they don't do the Vegas experience. Over 52,000 VH gamblers a year takes a lot of money out of Hawaii. And this doesn't count the thousands that go on their own. A lot of VH gamblers return 3,4,5 times a year. They are forced to go there because there's nothing here. People that go for the Vegas experience, usually only once. Everytime the subject of building a casino here, talk is 1. Not 2,3,4. I'm a frequent VH customer and I'm happy if there is only 1 hotel/casino here. And I'm sure a lot of them are also. I'd rather stay home and put money into our economy instead of spending roundtrip airfare, hotel, etc. And the hassles of a 6 hour flight. We can walk, drive or even catch the bus. As far as the cheap meals/drinks, etc., I'll pay the regular price because I'm saving that money just staying here. I'm sure if there was one casino here, gamblers wouldn't be concerned about the atmosphere, because the casino would most likely be built in Waikiki. If the Vegas thing gets shot down, we should at least have a lottery. I'll still go to Vegas to gamble, taking my money out of Hawaii.

easylivin - 2/7/2012 1:09 PM
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Stop the rail project. There will never be enough casinos in Honolulu to pay for its construction and maintenance.

ypupule - 2/7/2012 10:55 AM
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Re: the Vegas argument - in order to really "keep home" all that money that's being spent over there, how many casinos would we need over here? Seems to me like quite a few. After all, don't people go there for the entire Vegas experience -- i.e., choices of hotels/casinos, the shows, the cheap meals/drinks, and just the whole atmosphere? Would we be able to provide something comparable here, or would they be more like those 2nd-rate casinos on Native American Indian reservations? Also, would casinos in Hawaii be able to keep costs for things like meals, drinks, etc. as cheap as they are in Vegas, given our high taxes, labor, and other input costs? I don't know the answers, but I'm just wondering if that "keep it at home" argument makes sense or not.

olos73 - 2/7/2012 10:46 AM
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Another post noted this same professor said that Illinois could recoup billions if they raised casino licensing fees. Sounds good if Hawaii could get billions, even millions. This guy can't make up his mind. Our City and State is draining taxpayers money. If gambling is so bad, why does it come up year after year, after year, after year... I have a solution to our revenue problem. If every anti-gambling opponent gives 10% of their paycheck to the City and State, we wouldn't be in this mess. Then, we wouldn't have to go through this year after year, after year...

greektownfox - 2/7/2012 3:05 AM
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This opinion is showing the total lack of internet poker knowledge the outsiders have. Multiple sites at the same time have brought in million in rake a month. A modest tax on this would pay for any legislation and oversight with leftovers for discretionary spending.

stretch - 2/6/2012 10:29 PM
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KHON is in a bad place. Realizing limiting how far gambling can go versus constructing rail has maxed the credibility of Joe and this station. Joe needs to decide who will it be...A PLOY TO CONVINCE US THAT PRO-RAILERS WILL SAY:"we are too far with construction to stop" OR How many times he can build credit to limit gambling resolutions?

Aikea - 2/6/2012 10:02 PM
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Chicken fighting. Football or Baseball pool. Dog fight. MMA and boxing someone is gambling. We have unions why more do we need organized crime in Hawaii. The Underworld is not unions.

jusme101 - 2/6/2012 8:51 PM
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So, from this article... I take it khon2 is anti gambling ??? It's only about one side ??? What khon2 in bed with mayor C now ???

jusme101 - 2/6/2012 8:50 PM
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honolulu mayor peter carlisle says casinos would only take visitors away from the beauty of the islands... actually, that would be carlisles rail... but, another village id_iot heard from... We do not need it, it is not what Hawaii is about, they're stuck with it on the mainland and they're not gonna be able to get rid of it, we don't want something that's gonna infect us forever," says Honolulu Mayor Peter Carlisle. and again... the village id_iot is talking about his rail... As a former prosecutor, Mayor Carlisle says he's all too familiar with the social ills that go with legalized gambling... So his solution is to build a friggin rail system that our childrens, children on down will have to support ???? Mayor Carlisle says legislators should instead look at ways of cutting costs to solve the state fiscal problems... Wow, this village ID_IOT just dances all around the ills of rail and keeps looking around at everything else... Cut rail to begin with... The mans a friggin ID_IOT.

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